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El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Miér Nov 07, 2012 10:49 am

Mitt Romney cometio una serie de errores tacticos y estrategicos. El problema del "Exasketch" no se quedo tan solo en la palabreria. Una vez que Romney fue psotulado, cambio su postura en muchos temas que le habian conseguido el apoyo de el Tea Party. Es interesante ver que aunque Romeny perdio, Michelle Bachman gano su curul al igau lque Joe Arpaio defendio su puesto en Arizona ante un ataque coordinado por la izquierda y la claque pro-amnistia a nivel nacional.

Agreguen a esto el no desmentir las acusaciones del incidente del 47% y el trato dado a la gente de Ron Paul en la convencion Republicana y podemos ver que hay un grupo de cocorocos en el partido que estna divorciados de la base que hoy dia no solo es populista sino que repudia el corporativismo y globalismo.

En los proximos dias, por no decir ya, empezaremos a ver los mea-culpas y como culpan a este u otro renglos del partido por la derrota que dependio de los neoconservadores.
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Mensaje por Chemo el Miér Nov 07, 2012 1:52 pm

Yo no comente casi nada en los temas de politica de EEUU por que sabia que Romney no podia ganar y yo soy un republicano decepcionado por la cantidad de guerrillas ideologicas que existen dentro de este partido y que han acabado con el y he aqui los resultados ...2 derrotas corridas , y lo peor de todo , con un tipo como Obama que ha tenido tantos desatinos politicos!!!

Basicamente el error de Romney fue tratar de complacer y decirles a todas estas guerrillas republicanas lo que cada una queria escuchar aunque hoy dijera una cosa y mañana otra cosa con tal de buscar el apoyo de los conservadores y los neo conservadores...y ahi comenzo su derrota ya que el tipo se convirtio en un candidato contradictorio en sus ideales y planes de trabajo politico...el tipo se convirtio en un camaleon con ideas inestables y eso es un producto muy malo para venderle a los votantes por que nadie sabe lo que realmente el tipo va a terminar haciendo si fuese presidente...creo que eso fue lo que inclino la balanza hacia Obama ...como dice el refran "mas vale malo conocido que malo por conocer"...Obama entre los 2 es el menos mierda , y lo es simplemente por que se mantiene en sus posturas aunque sean erroneas mientra Robnesia hace mas filp flops que un pesacado acabado de salir de el agua!!!!!

Mas vale que los republicanos BOTEN PAL CARAJO a los NEO CONSERVADORES que les estan jodiendo el partido por que de lo contrario no ganan unas elecciones jamas ....
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Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Miér Nov 07, 2012 2:59 pm

Es dificil de ganar contra un Presidente en poder que tiene la prensa a su lado y mas dinero para distorcionar el caracter de Romney......Romney hizo lo que tenia que hacer y tiene la experiencia de balancear presupuestos y entender el sector privado y no habia nadie que le podia ganar a Obama bajo estas circumstancias.

La gran mayoria de latinos votaron por Obama apesar que el desempleo entre latinos es uno de lo mas alto de la nacion. Bajo Obama los cuponeros fueron de 30 millones a 47 millones de mantenidos.....o sea, Romney no puede competir con Obama con el mantengo y de ofrecer cosas gratis aunque el pais este en banca rota.


La vida sigue y yo tengo que seguir trabajando para mantener a los mantenidos y los que se niegan en producir.


Recuerden, no siempre gana el mejor candidato.......1964 es el perfecto ejemplo cuando LBJ le gano a Goldwater y todavia estamos pagando por una sociedad de mantengo que empezo con LBJ y Obama extendio a otro nivel.


Me gusta los chances de Partido Republicano para el 2016....es dificil que un partido gane la casa blanca 3 veces corridas y mas cuando la economia NO va a mejorar......Obama no hizo nada en su primer termino y mucho menos en su segundo........el partido democrata va a pasar unas primarias fuertes entre Hillary y Biden y quizas Cuomo, van estar divididos.



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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Boriquesazo el Miér Nov 07, 2012 3:17 pm

Creo que el análisis de Chemo da en el clavo. Romney cambia demasiado de posiciones sobre los asuntos al punto que era ridículo. No hay nada malo en pensar en una manera y después cambiar de opinión. Pero en el caso de Romney el sencillamente decía lo que cada público quería oír. Era una contradicción tras otro.

Este video lo ilustra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20

Romney se convirtió en el John Kerry de estas elecciones porque sencillamente no sabía cual era su forma de pensar. Obama se aprovechó de eso.

Lo que Romney nunca entendió es que la política no funciona exactamente como un negocio. En un negocio tu buscas lo que a un cierto grupo de personas les gusta y tratas de venderle eso. En la política tienes que apelar a una demografía más amplia. Para poder hacer eso, tienes que tener un ideal y posiciones firmes en los asuntos. Así las personas saben por quien están votando.

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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Miér Nov 07, 2012 3:26 pm

Este podriaser un buen candidato para mejorar el voto negro conservador si gana en el recuento:
http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/11/allen-west-campaign-calls-race-far-from-decided-questions-st-lucie-county-tally/
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Miér Nov 07, 2012 3:30 pm

Boriquesazo:

Vamos a ser honesto aqui, Obama tambien a cambiado muchas posiciones pero la prensa lo defiende y hay un "doble standard" aqui.


Tu en verdad me puedes decir cual es el plan de Obama de crear trabajos y cortar la deuda????? que va hacer para reformar Seguro Social y Medicare que se va a ir a banca rota.....cual es el plan de Obama de alto costo de energia?

Obama gano porque el pinto a Romney bien negativo con ayuda de la prensa y otra vez vendiendo el HOPE........y gano por 2%.


Again, le doy credito que Obama y su gente son muy buenos corriendo su maquinaria politica......ojala que fuera asi corriendo el pais porque esta economia esta debil y la deuda gigante.

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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Miér Nov 07, 2012 3:32 pm

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/07/tea-party-slams-mitt-romney-as-weak-moderate-candidate-hand-picked-by-mushy-middle-gop
Tea Party Slams Mitt Romney as 'Weak Moderate Candidate' Hand-Picked by 'Mushy-Middle' GOP
By Elizabeth Flock
November 7, 2012

The Tea Party Patriots, one of the most prominent organizations within the fiscally conservative tea party movement, says Mitt Romney lost the election because he was a "weak moderate" candidate that was "hand-picked" by the establishment GOP.


"For those of us who believe that America, as founded, is the greatest country in the history of the world – a 'Shining city upon a hill' – we wanted someone who would fight for us," Tea Party Patriots co-founder Jenny Beth Martin wrote in an e-mail, quoting 40th president and conservative hero Ronald Reagan. "We wanted a fighter like Ronald Reagan who boldly championed America's founding principles... What we got was a weak moderate candidate, hand-picked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment."

Romney made efforts in the campaign to reach out to the tea party—especially in his choice of right-wing ideologue Paul Ryan as running mate. But as the election drew closer, the GOP nominee tacked closer to the center, and in the final debate he made few contrasts between himself and President Obama.


The Tea Party Patriots said it had to work harder going forward to stop the "mushy-middle" members of the GOP from "getting rolled" by the left.

The group also told followers that they were "not going away," despite losses Tuesday night by tea party congressmen Allen West in Florida and Joe Walsh in Illinois, as well as a near-loss by Rep. Michele Bachmann in Minnesota.

Martin said the group would now turn its attention back to Congress, where it has been more successful in pushing its message of fiscal conservatism, where it would battle over the budget, the debt and against Obamacare.


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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Miér Nov 07, 2012 3:35 pm

Boriquesazo escribió:Creo que el análisis de Chemo da en el clavo. Romney cambia demasiado de posiciones sobre los asuntos al punto que era ridículo. No hay nada malo en pensar en una manera y después cambiar de opinión. Pero en el caso de Romney el sencillamente decía lo que cada público quería oír. Era una contradicción tras otro.

Este video lo ilustra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20

Romney se convirtió en el John Kerry de estas elecciones porque sencillamente no sabía cual era su forma de pensar. Obama se aprovechó de eso.

Lo que Romney nunca entendió es que la política no funciona exactamente como un negocio. En un negocio tu buscas lo que a un cierto grupo de personas les gusta y tratas de venderle eso. En la política tienes que apelar a una demografía más amplia. Para poder hacer eso, tienes que tener un ideal y posiciones firmes en los asuntos. Así las personas saben por quien están votando.

Empecemos por el hecho de que Obama nunca presento un programa de nada. De hecho, si le quitas Obamacare, la administracion de Obama no ha logrado nada... Mas aun, no ha hecho nada por mejorar el futuro de la gente de color y eso se ve en el diferencial de calidad social y economica que se ha abierto entre ellos y los blancos.
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Boriquesazo el Miér Nov 07, 2012 3:41 pm

Charlie319 escribió:

Empecemos por el hecho de que Obama nunca presento un programa de nada. De hecho, si le quitas Obamacare, la administracion de Obama no ha logrado nada... Mas aun, no ha hecho nada por mejorar el futuro de la gente de color y eso se ve en el diferencial de calidad social y economica que se ha abierto entre ellos y los blancos.

Eso no es verdad. El Stimulus Package salvó la economía. Eso lo sabe todo el mundo. El Dodd-Frank Act presentó varias regulaciones necesarias para prevenir la situación que causó las crisis del 2008. Eliminó DADT, que era altamente discriminatoria y ha mantenido a los E.U. seguro.

Aquí hay una lista de muchos logros más.

http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/

De hecho, se puede puede concluir que Obama ha sido uno de los Presidentes más activos de las últimas décadas.

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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Miér Nov 07, 2012 4:42 pm


1) bueno si tu llamas gastar mucho y trepar la deuda a 16 TRILLONES y en su segundo termino pasara de 20 Trillones unos de los presidentes mas activo pues te lo doy.


2) Bajo Obama el gobierno gasta $11 por cada $7 que jala, como eso va ayudar a la economia, inverciones y el valor del dolar?


3) el estimulo de Obama no fue nada mas que el gobierno federal escoger que negocios ganan y cuales pierden atrevez de politiqueria y favoritismo.


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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Miér Nov 07, 2012 5:35 pm

Borin: Yo se que tu peinsas que Obama caga arco-irises, pero la verdad es que lo unico que ha hecho es tirarle dinero al problema sin tener un buen plan. Boto a quien debio de hacerle caso... Paul Volker... Mientras tanto, y vemos algunas opiniones que pintan al Tea Party en buena luz...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332857/no-good-excuses-michael-tanner#

There are no excuses for losing this election.

One can blame Hurricane Sandy for disrupting Romney’s momentum; one can blame the impact of negative advertising or media bias. One can credit the president’s vaunted ground game, which turned out to be every bit as good as advertised. But this was a race that should never have been close.

The economy may have been showing feeble signs of life in the last couple of months, but it is hardly robust. No president had won reelection with unemployment above 7 percent since Franklin Roosevelt; it is now 7.9 percent. Three-quarters of voters thought the economy’s performance is poor or just fair. Throw in a health-care law that voters opposed 49 percent to 43, turmoil overseas, and assorted scandals, and an observer from Mars would have said that there was no way Romney could lose.

Yet Romney not only lost, he lost decisively.

There will be temptations to blame a poor candidate or a campaign that squandered several opportunities. And it is true that Romney was a flawed candidate, and his campaign’s strategy proved imperfect, too. He failed to press his advantage after the first debate, and seemed to switch positions at a whim.

But the Republican party’s problems go much deeper.

This represents the fifth time in the last six elections that Republicans have lost the popular vote, and the fourth time in those six that they’ve lost the electoral vote and the presidency. And although Republicans held the House last night, they actually lost seats in the Senate, of which they were widely favored to win control at the beginning of the year. Clearly, something is wrong.

Much of the media will jump to the conclusion that the Tea Party is to blame for Republican losses. Yet tea-party candidates actually did well overall. In the House, fewer than five members of the Tea Party Caucus lost reelection.

On the Senate side, tea-party favorite Richard Mourdock went down to defeat in Indiana, a state Romney was carrying by a big margin. In Missouri, Todd Akin threw away one of the most winnable Senate seats in the country. But Akin, contrary to media wisdom, was never a tea-party candidate. During the primaries, most tea-party groups backed one of his opponents. Akin won because he had strong support from social conservatives while the other candidates split the more economically conservative vote. Meanwhile, Mourdock’s self-inflicted wounds were not a result of his tea-party background.

Besides, even if you try to blame the Tea Party for Indiana or Missouri, what do you say about Wisconsin? Tommy Thompson was the quintessential moderate establishment candidate; he’d defeated two tea-party–backed primary alternatives. He still couldn’t beat one of the most left-wing Democrats in the country.

Tea-party voters would do well to realize that simply being anti-establishment is not enough for a candidate. Supporting a candidate with the charisma and talents of a Ted Cruz or a Jeff Flake makes sense. Supporting a Richard Mourdock simply because he shares similar political views doesn’t work as well.

It’s also important that Democratic efforts to turn the Ryan budget and Medicare into a bludgeon failed. Democratic gains in the House were negligible; nearly all Republicans who voted for the Ryan budget were reelected. Heck, Paul Ryan himself was reelected to his House seat. Even in states such as Florida, exit polls showed Romney fighting President Obama to a draw on the issue of Medicare reform.

Asked in exit polls if government does too much or should do more, voters said “too much” by a margin of 51 percent to 44. Voters certainly seem receptive to a small-government message, at least in some respects, even when what appears to be a somewhat more liberal and Democratic electorate is being polled.

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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Boriquesazo el Miér Nov 07, 2012 10:43 pm

Yo no veo arcoiris con Obama. Bastante que lo he criticado por expandir la guerra de Afghanistan, la NDAA y no cerrar GITMO.

Pero entiendo que, en general, ha sido un buen Presidente, mucho mejor que su predecesor y ha hecho un trabajo excelente considerando el desastre que heredó. Viendo la alternativa que era Romney, definitivamente era mejor quedarnos con Obama. Yo solo espero que el Congreso y el Presidente puedan trabajar bien estos próximos años.

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Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Jue Nov 08, 2012 12:05 am

Boriquesazo escribió:Yo no veo arcoiris con Obama. Bastante que lo he criticado por expandir la guerra de Afghanistan, la NDAA y no cerrar GITMO.

Pero entiendo que, en general, ha sido un buen Presidente, mucho mejor que su predecesor y ha hecho un trabajo excelente considerando el desastre que heredó. Viendo la alternativa que era Romney, definitivamente era mejor quedarnos con Obama. Yo solo espero que el Congreso y el Presidente puedan trabajar bien estos próximos años.


tu no puedes tener una sociedad funcional que tu le quitas a los que producen y le dices que no estan trabajando lo suficiente para darle a los que no producen y se niegan en producir. Ese es mi problema con Obama. Ha creado un pais de mas mantengo y que el gobierno te debe de pagar todo. El no entiende como el sector privado funciona y como crear trabajos que no sean de gobierno.


Eso es lo que pasa en Puerto Rico y se ha convertido en un lugar mediocre y yo no quiero eso para los EEUU....porque si eso pasa en los EEUU, no hay otro lugar para mudarnos.


Obama le gano a Romney porque el prometio mas mantengo que Romney y los negros, latinos y mujeres solteras se lo chuparon.

California es el perfecto ejemplo como EEUU va a parecer pronto con los programas de Obama, un estado de alto desempleo, mucho mantengo y taxes por el techo para mantener a los que no producen.....y un estado con una immigracion fuera de control.





Obama prometio en 2008 que iba a cortar la deuda por la mitad, casi la puse doble.

Obama prometio en 2008 que iba a cortar el desempleo a 5% y ha estado en 8% y es mas alto entre latinos y negros y mujeres.......yo no puedo llamar un Presidente bueno con ese record.....despues de su segundo termino ese record no mejora, yo no se como tu puedes seguir llamandolo un buen presidente.
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Jue Nov 08, 2012 9:34 am

Boriquesazo escribió:Yo no veo arcoiris con Obama. Bastante que lo he criticado por expandir la guerra de Afghanistan, la NDAA y no cerrar GITMO.

Pero entiendo que, en general, ha sido un buen Presidente, mucho mejor que su predecesor y ha hecho un trabajo excelente considerando el desastre que heredó. Viendo la alternativa que era Romney, definitivamente era mejor quedarnos con Obama. Yo solo espero que el Congreso y el Presidente puedan trabajar bien estos próximos años.

Tienes que dejar de compararlo con Jimmy Carter y ponerlo en contraste con Bill Clinton. Obama ha sido un desastre que ha usado las politicas de raza y exclusion con el unico objetivo de acopiar poder para su claque de politicuchos de Chicago.

Esta es una elocuente carta al editor de un periodico:

http://union-bulletin.com/news/2012/nov/03/obama-has-broken-promises/?iframe=true&width=90%&height=90%

Obama has broken promises

Barack Obama promised to change America. He has. But the one promise Obama kept has us on the verge of devastation. Ironically, the kept promise is the result of many broken promises.

#Obama promised to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." He calls the Constitution a flawed document. He does what he wants to do without even consulting the Congress. Broken promise.

#Obama promised he would cut the budget deficit in half. The deficit is over $16 trillion and continues to rise. Obama continues to spend money we don't have, and thinks taxing the rich will fix everything. (He might as well launch a spit wad at King Kong!) Broken promise.

#Obama promised he would lower the unemployment rate. More than 23 million Americans are out of work. More than 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Broken promise.

#Obama promised he would protect Medicare. He's taken millions of dollars out of Medicare to pay for "Obamacare". Broken promise.

#Obama promised he would make America energy independent. He won't allow drilling for oil, won't allow Canada's Keystone Pipeline, won't allow coal production. Gas prices are beyond high. Broken promise.

#Obama promised to unite the country. He promotes class conflict and uses the race card to deride and divide. He accuses everyone else for his own failures. Broken promise.

#Obama promised to honor the military, and to make sure the men and women who fight to protect us have what they need to do their job. He wants to slash the defense budget by millions of dollars. Broken promise.

#Obama promised to make America respected. He bows and apologizes to our enemies. He appeases those who seek to destroy us. America is mocked and our flag is desecrated. Our ambassador and three other brave Americans are murdered in Benghazi, Libya. Broken promise.

#Obama promised he would be a one- term president if he failed. He wants to be president for another four years. Broken promise.

#Time will tell if Americans are sick and tired of the broken promises. Four more years won't make Obama a good leader. If he's re-elected, the America we know and love will be no more.

#Roberta Bardsley
#Walla Walla

Aqui hallaras aun mas datos y un largo video sobre el fiasco que es el idolo de ebano:
http://www.theblaze.com/books/the-brief-against-obama-the-rise-fall-epic-fail-of-the-hope-change-presidency/


En "Flopping Aces" encontraras bastante con que sacarte de tu adulacion a lo que no es mas que un mago de carnaval:
http://floppingaces.net/2012/11/06/obama-to-win-second-term/
http://floppingaces.net/2012/11/07/make-sure-obama-supporters-get-what-they-voted-for-reader-post/

De acuerdo a esto, lo mejor que pueden hacer los Republicanos es dejar que la ley de "Sequestration" persista como el legado de Obama al futuro. El lo firmo y el efecto sera:
Sequestration would impose cuts of 9.4 percent in nonexempt defense discretionary funding and 8.2 percent in nonexempt, nondefense discretionary funding. A 2 percent cut would hit Medicare providers, 7.6 percent would affect other nonexempt nondefense mandatory programs, and 10 percent would be applied to nonexempt defense mandatory programs, according to the report. Cuts in the range of 7.6 percent to 8.2 percent would affect everything from the Capitol Police to the Merit Systems Protection Board to the States Interagency Council on Homelessness.


Obviamente podemos esperar que como con otras leyes, use esta para limpiarse el copro y alla estaras tu y los demas socialistas de canape y te para aplaudir su osadia... Imaginate, un presidente que se deje atar por la Constitucion o el estado de orden?????? Bienvenido al Faraon del partido de los Brahmines democratas que ven al pobre y minoria jodida como un voto que se debe multiplicar mantenirndolo a el en su sitio y agregando a ese acopio de invfelices con otros moroncetes desamparados que los vean como una luz de esperanza y no como un yunque amarrado al cuello. Obama no ve al pobre y minoria como a alguien a quien ayudar, sino como un padrote de putas mira a su establo de trabajadoras sexo-sociales.
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Lun Nov 12, 2012 12:25 am

Ross Douthat es un escritor interesante y cuyo analisis tiende a ser balanceado. Esto dice de las excusas levantadas por lo que yo llamo GOP-Inc:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-gops-demographic-excuse.html


The Demographic Excuse
By ROSS DOUTHAT
THE Republican Party has lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. It just failed to unseat a president presiding over one of the longest stretches of mass unemployment since the Great Depression. In a year when the Senate map offered them numerous opportunities, the Republicans managed to lose two seats instead.

In part, these failures can be attributed to the country’s changing demographics. Reliable Republican constituencies — whites, married couples and churchgoers — are shrinking as a share of the electorate. Democratic-leaning constituencies — minorities, recent immigrants, the unmarried and unchurched — are growing, and voting in larger numbers than in the past.

But Republicans are also losing because today’s economic landscape is very different than in the days of Ronald Reagan’s landslides. The problems that middle-class Americans faced in the late 1970s are not the problems of today. Health care now takes a bigger bite than income taxes out of many paychecks. Wage stagnation is a bigger threat to blue-collar workers than inflation. Middle-income parents worry more about the cost of college than the crime rate. Americans are more likely to fret about Washington’s coziness with big business than about big government alone.

Both shifts, demographic and economic, must be addressed if Republicans are to find a way back to the majority. But the temptation for the party’s elites will be to fasten on the demographic explanation, because playing identity politics seems far less painful than overhauling the Republican economic message.

This explains why many high-profile Republicans responded to last Tuesday’s defeat by embracing some form of amnesty for illegal immigrants. Fox News’s Sean Hannity, a reliable weather vane, publicly converted to the cause of comprehensive immigration reform last week. The Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer argued that if the Republican Party embraced amnesty and nominated Marco Rubio, it would win the Hispanic vote outright in 2016, solving its demographic problem in one swoop. Judging from the noises emanating from John Boehner and Eric Cantor, the party’s Congressional leadership agrees.

No doubt a more moderate tone on immigration would help Republicans. But the idea of amnesty as a Latino-winning electoral silver bullet is a fantasy.

First, Hispanics are not single-issue voters: they can be alienated by nativism, but they can’t just be won by the promise of green cards and open borders. (After Reagan signed an amnesty bill in 1986, the Republican share of the Hispanic vote fell in the next presidential election.) Latino voters are not, as conservative strategists often claim, “natural” Republican voters — notwithstanding their (moderate) social conservatism, they tend to lean leftward on economic issues, and to see government more as an ally than a foe. They can be wooed, gradually, if Republicans address their aspirations and anxieties, but they aren’t going to be claimed in one legislative pander.

At the same time, a Republican Party that moves too far leftward on immigration risks alienating its white working-class supporters, an easily disillusioned constituency whose support the party cannot take for granted. These voters already suspect that Republican elites don’t have their interests at heart: Mitt Romney lost last week because he underperformed among minority voters, but also because a large number of working-class whites apparently stayed home. If the party’s only post-2012 adjustment is to embrace amnesty, they aren’t likely to turn out in 2016 either.

What the party really needs, much more than a better identity-politics pitch, is an economic message that would appeal across demographic lines — reaching both downscale white voters turned off by Romney’s Bain Capital background and upwardly mobile Latino voters who don’t relate to the current G.O.P. fixation on upper-bracket tax cuts.

As the American Enterprise Institute’s Henry Olsen writes, it should be possible for Republicans to oppose an overweening and intrusive state while still recognizing that “government can give average people a hand up to achieve the American Dream.” It should be possible for the party to reform and streamline government while also addressing middle-class anxieties about wages, health care, education and more.

The good news is that such an agenda already exists, at least in embryonic form. Thanks to four years of intellectual ferment, Republicans seeking policy renewal have a host of thinkers and ideas to draw from: Luigi Zingales and Jim Pethokoukis on crony capitalism, Ramesh Ponnuru and Robert Stein on tax policy, Frederick Hess on education reform, James Capretta on alternatives to Obamacare, and many more.

The bad news is that unlike a pander on immigration, a new economic agenda probably wouldn’t be favorably received by the party’s big donors, who tend to be quite happy with the Republican Party’s current positioning.

But after spending billions of those donors’ dollars with nothing to show for it, perhaps Republicans should seek a different path: one in which they raise a little less money but win a few more votes.

He ahi el problema... Los Neo-Cons y la claque del dinero se aliaron en figuras como Karl Rove y Gropver Norquist y han tomado al partiod como rehen sin entender que el voto es mas importante que la opinion entre ellos. Ya veremos si aprenden. El GOP haria bien en empezar desde ahora a afilar navajas hacia el 2016 en asuntos y no en candidatos ya que con otro cuatrenio de trillones en deficit, no importara tanto quien sea el candidato, con tal que no sea Obama o alguien de su estirpe.
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Mensaje por Charlie319 el Jue Nov 15, 2012 12:55 pm

Interesante coleccion de datos...

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/22-signs-that-voter-fraud-is-wildly-out-of-control-and-the-election-was-a-sham

22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham
By Michael, on November 13th, 2012
After what we have seen this November, how is any American ever supposed to trust the integrity of our elections ever again? There were over 70,000 reports of voting problems on election day, and there are numerous eyewitnesses that claim that they saw voting machines change votes for one candidate to another candidate right in front of their eyes. In several of the swing states there were counties where the number of registered voters exceeded the total voting age population by a very wide margin. How in the world does that happen? Some of the vote totals that were reported in some of the most important swing states were completely and totally absurd, and yet we are just supposed to accept them on blind faith without ever being able to ask any questions. Of course the Romney campaign has already totally given up, so it isn’t as if there is any chance that the results of the presidential election could be overturned anyhow. But if massive election fraud did take place and nobody is held accountable, what kind of message will that send for the future? Will we ever be able to have faith in the integrity of our elections ever again?

The following are 22 signs that voter fraud is wildly out of control and the election was a sham…

#1 According to the Election Protection Coalition, voters across the United States reported more than 70,000 voting problems by 5 PM Eastern time on election day.

#2 There were 59 voting divisions in the city of Philadelphia where Mitt Romney did not receive a single vote. In those voting divisions, the combined vote total was 19,605 for Barack Obama and 0 for Mitt Romney.

#3 The overall voter turnout rate in Philadelphia was only about 60 percent. But in the areas of Philadelphia where Republican poll watchers were illegally removed, the voter turnout rate was over 90% and Obama received over 99% of the vote. Officials in Philadelphia have already ruled out an investigation.

#4 According to WND, one poll watcher in Pennsylvania actually claims that he witnessed voting machine software repeatedly switch votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama…

It was in Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., where an auditor, Robert Ashcroft, was dispatched by Republicans to monitor the vote on Election Day. He said the software he observed would “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”

He said that happened in about 5 percent to 10 percent of the votes.

He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.

Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status, and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default.

#5 Somehow Mitt Romney won 55 out of the 67 counties in the state of Pennsylvania and still managed to lose the entire state by a wide margin because of the absurd vote totals that Obama ran up in the urban areas.

#6 Barack Obama received more than 98 percent of the vote in 10 out of the 50 wards in the city of Chicago.

#7 Prior to the election, voters in the states of Nevada, North Carolina, Texas and Ohio all reported that voting machines were switching their votes for Romney over to Obama.

#8 There were more than 50 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Mitt Romney received 2 votes or less.

#9 There were more than 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Barack Obama received more than 99 times the votes that Mitt Romney did.

#10 Barack Obama also received more than 99% of the vote in a number of very important precincts down in Broward County, Florida.

#11 Wood County, Ohio (which Obama won) has a voting age population of 98,213, but somehow 106,258 voters were registered to vote on election day.

#12 Ten counties in the swing state of Colorado have a voter registration rate of more than 100%.

#13 Barack Obama did not win in a single state that absolutely requires a photo I.D. in order to vote.

#14 In Ohio, two election judges were caught allowing unregistered voters to cast ballots.

#15 Many Ohio voters that showed up at the polls on election day were surprised when they were informed that they had already voted.

#16 In fact, there were reports all over the nation of people being unable to vote because records showed that they had already voted.

#17 According to U.S. Representative Allen West, there were numerous “voting irregularities” in St. Lucie County, Florida on election day…

“The thing that spurred our curiosity in our race was the fact that at 1 o’clock in the morning on Election Night, all of a sudden there was a 4,000-vote swing that took me from being ahead to put the lead into my opponent’s hands.”
#18 In Wisconsin, there were allegations that Obama voters were actually being bussed in from out of state…

The Democrats stationed a self described “BIG Chicago pro bono attorney” as one of their two observers at this small polling place. He remained at the polling place from 7:00 a.m. until well after 8:p.m. …..A high priced CHICAGO attorney, sitting in a Sheboygan WISCONSIN polling place, observing wards comprised of 1500 voters? …. WHY???
Why would someone from Chicago be observing in Sheboygan Wisconsin? And WHY at such a small polling place? Finally, isn’t it interesting that this would occur at the VERY polling place in which all of the above described events ALSO occurred? AGAIN WHY WOULD A CHICAGO ATTORNEY BE OBSERVING AN ELECTION POLLING PLACE WITH FEWER THAN 1500 VOTERS IN IT, IN SHEBOYGAN WISCONSIN? Of all the places where there has been suspected voting irregularities, and OUTRIGHT FRAUD throughout the ENTIRE United States, WHY HERE? WHY SHEBOYGAN? WHY THIS SMALL WARD?

This lawyer spent the day running in and out making, and taking calls, which coincidentally then coincided with influxes of groups of individuals by the van and bus loads, coming in to register, AND VOTE, using what appeared to be copied Allient energy bills. These individuals often did not have photo I.D.’s, could not remember their own addresses without looking at the paper, and became easily tripped, confused and annoyed when questioned.

Many of these same individuals, just so happened to be dressed in/wearing CHICAGO BEARS apparel, and whom openly discussed “catching busses back to Chicago” with each other, with poll workers, via their cell phones in the lobby area just outside the polling place, as well as in the parking lot, both before and AFTER registering and voting.

One woman was dressed head to toe in CHICAGO BEARS apparel including perfectly manicured BEARS fake fingernails!

She complained because registering was taking too long and she had to hurry up to catch her bus back to Chicago.

We have photos of these people in vehicles with plates from different states, photos of them leaving the polls, and other irregularities
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#19 Prior to election day, an Obama for America staffer was caught on video trying to help someone register to vote in more than one state.

#20 It is being alleged that unions in Nevada have been registering illegal immigrants and pressuring them to vote.

#21 According to townhall.com, there was a systematic effort by the Obama campaign to suppress the military vote because they knew that most military votes would go against Obama…

Aiding Obama’s win was a devious suppression of the conservative vote. The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.
#22 According to the Naval Enlisted Reserve Association, it appears that thousands of military votes from this election will never be counted at all.

So what do you think about all of this?

Do you still believe that elections in America are fair and honest?

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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Vie Nov 23, 2012 2:25 pm

Se han promovido muchas razones para el desplome de la gesta de Romney. Ellos pensaban que tenian "X" numero de votos, y se quedaron colgados... Aqui se promueve una muy buena explicacion:

The Ron Paul factor in the GOP’s defeat
Election 2012November 10, 2012
By: Gregory Patin

A full three days after the GOP took a shellacking in the general election, as many as 19 reasons have been put forth by both parties, pundits and the corporate media as they grope for explanations for President Obama's win. The woman’s vote, the Hispanic vote, media bias, a poor campaign message, Tea Party extremism, Romney too moderate, hurricane Sandy, New Jersey governor Christie, even voter suppression – the list goes on and on.

While all of these factors did come into play, the truth may be that the single most significant factor is what the Republican establishment did to one of its own candidates, Dr. Ron Paul, and his many ardent supporters. By disenfranchising Ron Paul supporters, Romney won the primary, but because of that he may have lost the election. For that, the GOP has no one to blame but itself and very few in either party or the media seem to want to mention the Ron Paul factor.


.Ron Paul delegates from Romney's home state, MA, banned from GOP convention.Ron Paul delegates from Romney's home state, MA, banned from GOP convention..In the Republican primary, Ron Paul’s delegates and supporters were systematically shut out of the process, yet Karl Rove has the nerve to say on Fox news that President Obama won by “suppressing the vote.” Take a closer look at your own party, Karl.

Ron Paul brought the youngest delegation in the history of the Republican Party to the convention (RNC) in Tampa in August. They were not political hacks, millionaires, CEOs or attorneys – they were ordinary young adults from all walks of life who thought they could make a difference. They were welcomed by GOP hacks by having their signs confiscated and torn up before their eyes.

The Maine delegation, apparently having too many Ron Paul supporters, was unseated and then walked off the floor at the RNC, chanting, “As goes Maine, so goes the nation.” It is befitting that Maine’s electoral votes went for President Obama.

Ron Paul delegates even sustained injuries as they were arrested in Louisiana after it became clear to GOP leaders that they were in the majority at the state convention. After Ron Paul supporters booed Romney’s son Josh at the state convention in Arizona, the air conditioning and lights were turned off by GOP operatives in order to prevent Ron Paul delegates from being elected to a party position. Romney campaign officials were caught distributing fake delegate slates in Maine and Nevada. In Missouri, police were called to shut down the St. Charles caucus when a Ron Paul victory appeared imminent.

While young people are encouraged to follow their dreams and ambitions, to get involved and make a difference in many aspects of their lives, that is apparently not allowed in Republican Party politics. And the pundits wonder why President Obama secured a majority among voters under 30.

Here is another reason why the GOP lost badly. It is called simple math. The following statistics were put together by Hamdan Azhar, writing for policymic.com. It reveals that, “in no less than five states, Romney’s margin of loss to President Obama in the general election was less than the number of votes received by Ron Paul in that state’s primary.” Although not all of the votes have been counted and recorded yet, the trend is obvious.

Florida
Obama votes: 4,141,618
Romney votes: 4,094,952
Romney loss margin: 46,666
Paul primary votes: 117,461
Electoral votes: 29

New Hampshire
Obama votes: 366,089
Romney votes: 325,668
Romney loss margin: 40,421
Paul primary votes: 56,872
Electoral votes: 4

Ohio
Obama votes: 2,691,861
Romney votes: 2,584,620
Romney loss margin: 107,241
Paul primary votes: 113,256
Electoral votes: 18

Virginia
Obama votes: 1,868,191
Romney votes: 1,767,692
Romney loss margin: 100,499
Paul primary votes: 107,451
Electoral votes: 13

These four states alone account for 64 electoral votes and if you were to take 64 away from Obama and give them to any GOP candidate that is the difference right there. Of course, it is not safe to assume that everyone who voted for Paul in the primary would have turned out and voted GOP if another candidate was on the ballot. Nor it is safe to assume that Ron Paul would have won a general election against President Obama or that the Libertarian ideology would sell to the majority of Americans.

Several “Ron Paul Republicans” won close House races, however, including Thomas Massie in Kentucky, and Justin Amash and Kerry Bentivolio in Michigan. Yet Republican “Tea Party” candidates lost across the board – again. That is an indication that Ron Paul may have fared better against President Obama in the general election than Mitt Romney did.

But that is not the point. The point is that neither party should suppress voters, intimidate delegates and force Americans to vote for establishment candidates picked by party bosses, billionaires and the corporate media. That strategy usually leads to the incumbent party winning, like in 2004, but also leads to lack of new ideas and the potential for real change. The American people should be allowed to make their own choices. Rigged elections are one of the 14 defining characteristics of fascism.

It is safe to assume that many Ron Paul supporters would have turned out and voted had they not been suppressed and alienated by their own party leaders. While all exit polling, post-election assumptions and even the statistics are an inexact science, one thing is clear. The GOP not only turned off large amounts of women and minority voters, but a lot of young people within their own party. Hopefully all parties involved, not only political parties, learned something from what the GOP did to Ron Paul and his supporters.

Here is what one Ron Paul supporter was quoted saying on a Libertarian blog: "I want to make sure that when the Republican Party loses, terribly…I want [them to know] it's because they systematically shut out the most intelligent, most youthful and active voting bloc in American history."

Perhaps GOP leaders should take a closer look at disenfranchising their own voters instead of blaming Mother Nature, the changing demographics in America or candidates that are not conservative enough. Very few Americans seem to care for disenfranchisement, voter suppression and intimidation.

Republicans now have fours years to think about that while they argue among themselves and while President Obama continues to try to fix the mess that their last “winner” left for America.

y otra:



To Romney and the GOP Elites: What Goes Around Comes Around
Saturday, November 10, 2012 – by Ron Holland


On November 6th a large percentage of the Ron Paul supporters (10% of the GOP electorate) in the primary season exited the corrupt GOP voting process, stayed home, watched our television screens (like I did) and followed through with our warning to the GOP establishment. No Paul = No Vote in November.

Did you notice that during the many hours of broadcast news coverage of election night not one establishment news talking head mentioned what would have happened if Ron Paul supporters had voted en masse for the GOP and Mitt Romney? In fact, Ron Paul was never mentioned at all and they dared not even speak his name during the night's running commentary. The Paul factor was the elephant in the room the press had obviously been ordered to avoid in discussions at all costs.

The world knows how the Romney campaign and GOP establishment trashed Ron Paul and his supporters during the GOP primary season and in front of millions at the GOP national convention. Romney had the presidential nomination sewed up and had he treated the Paul voters with respect and reconciliation and added either Rand or Ron Paul on the ticket as I suggested in "No Paul = No Vote in November."

The Republican Party would have captured the Senate and the would have millions of young supporters promoting both the party and our freedom agenda. But this was not to be, due to the arrogance and animosity of the GOP big-wigs and the Republican operatives running the Romney campaign.

Maybe this is all for the best. After all, if Rand Paul were now the vice president he would be pigeon-holed and basically a captive hostage of the GOP establishment just like he was during the GOP convention when his father and Paul supporters were treated so badly. Ron Paul, Rand Paul and the Paul convention delegates certainly deserved better treatment than the broken promises and humiliation they received at the hands of the GOP brownshirts.

In fact, I thought Rand Paul was treated in a similar fashion to William Wallace at his execution at the end of the classic Mel Gibson movie, "Braveheart." The only difference was the GOP thugs forced Rand to keep quiet whereas William Wallace was able to shout "Freedom!" in his dying moments. William Wallace died that day and now, hundreds of years later, Scotland is on the precipice of Scottish independence.

Well, today I am just one of millions of Ron Paul supporters but I want Karl Rove and his scumbag friends and political operatives to remember: We told you that if a Paul wasn't on the 2012 ticket we wouldn't vote. You got what you deserved and now Obama has four more years to prove that he can become the worst president in history.

It is four long years until 2016 but unlike William Wallace, Ron and Rand Paul have not been executed and millions of liberty supporters remain. We will not be silenced and we will not forget.

So to the GOP elites and Mitt Romney we send a loud shout of "FREEDOM!", like William Wallace did so long ago. The only difference is we are still here. The only real GOP winners in this election were the Ron Paul forces and you will rue the day and bitterly regret your treatment of us during 2012.

So remember, "What goes around comes around." We will still be here in 2014 and 2016 and we will still be fighting for freedom.


Que creen; le costo el maltrato dado a los fanaticos de Ron Paul, a manos de la claque neo-con del GOP, la presidencia a ROmney y al GOP?

No es hora de botar a estos mequetrefes antes que nos enganchen un tercer Bush????? Se rumora que Jeb esta sopesando lanzarse como candidato...
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Vie Nov 23, 2012 6:31 pm

Boriquesazo escribió:Yo no veo arcoiris con Obama. Bastante que lo he criticado por expandir la guerra de Afghanistan, la NDAA y no cerrar GITMO.

Pero entiendo que, en general, ha sido un buen Presidente, mucho mejor que su predecesor y ha hecho un trabajo excelente considerando el desastre que heredó. Viendo la alternativa que era Romney, definitivamente era mejor quedarnos con Obama. Yo solo espero que el Congreso y el Presidente puedan trabajar bien estos próximos años.


es obvio que vez arcoiris con Obama cuando dices que ha hecho un "excellente" trabajo considerando el desastre.


Obama corrio en 2008 como CAMBIO del pasado pero tu ignoras que cuando tomo poder dejo las mismas personas en poder que eran parte del problema.


1)Guerra de Iraq y Afghanistan= Dejo las mismas personas encargadas de esas guerras bajo Bush. Desde Generales y Secreatrio de Defensa. Puso a Hillary Clinton como secretaria de Estado cuando ella le dio el voto de autorizacion a Bush y muchas otras autorizaciones como el Pariot Act al igual que Joe Biden, otro huele estaca que voto por la guerra y el Patriot Act.


2) Bancos y Wall Street= dejo las mismas personas en el FEDERAL RESERVED y los BANCOS que el rescato y se nego a llevar a NINGUNO a justicia.


3) Bush Tax Cuts= que el tanto critico como la causa de la mala economia, el extendio como Presidente.


4) War Criminal= Obama es igualito que W BUSH ....y tu no dices nada, a donde estan estos liberales protestando la ocupacion y llamando Obama criminal por seguir lo mismo que Bush y peor con sus DRONES matando civiles en otros paises?

Le regalaron un NOBLE PEACE PRIZE cuando este Presidente extendio la guerra en Afghanistan y estan matando civiles con sus drones.....que chiste e hipocritas son los liberales y sus organizaciones.

Obama vendio cambio y fue la cojida mas pendeja en la historia porque dejo las mismas personas en poder en todas las agencias del pais que estan jodiendo al pais.


Si tu crees que Romney iba ser peor que eso, yo no se, lo que se es que Obama se le dio un chance y fracaso y otro termino no va arreglar nada, si lees historia el segundo termino de un presidente es peor que el primero y nada se hace.


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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Sáb Nov 24, 2012 1:52 am

Lo que es sorprendente es que los socialistas y socialistoides de la Nacion se tragaron la misma feca dos veces.
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Sáb Nov 24, 2012 3:01 am

Yo no entiendo la hipocresia de los liberales y la ciega fe hacia Obama cuando ellos crucificaron a Bush por 8 años.


1) Que Bori me explique que ha hecho Obama para arreglar los bancos y el federal reserved?...NADA....dejo a Ben Bernanke como chairman del Federal Reserved que puso Bush en 2006 . Le dio un checazo a los bancos y se niega a llevar a nadie a justicia por el colapso del 2008. Puede demandar a Arizona por querer defender sus bordes de los carteles de drogas de Mexico y de una ola de inmigracion ilegal que esta jodiendo la economia de Arizona pero no quiere tocar a nadie de los bancos ni del federal reserved.



2) Obama estaba tan encontra de la guerra que cuando llego al poder que hace? deja el secretario de Defensa de Bush en Robert Gates , le da una promocion a General Petraeus otro general de Bush para hacer lo mismo que hizo en Iraq en Afghanistan para despues ponerlo en el CIA.


3) Obama quiere tanto cambio que pone a Hillary Clinton como secretaria de estado cuando ella VOTO para darle autorizacion a Bush para la guerra, al igual que Joe Biden. Tambien votaron por el Patriot Act bajo Bush que Obama extendio.


Que me explique Bori cual es la verdadera diferencia entre Bush y Obama aparte del color de piel?
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por AntiCom el Dom Nov 25, 2012 2:57 pm

Aqui las cosas hay que llamarlas por su nombre y dejarse de correccion politica. Obama gano simple y sencillamente por solo una razon, la misma razon que le dio la victoria en el 2008: LA CARTA RACIAL.

Que la gran mayoria de los latinos y todos los negros le dieran el voto, no es algo que desafie la logica. Y a eso le sumamos que un gran sector izquierdista radical entre los blancos de clase media, igualmente abieron paso a la reeleccion del peor presidente en funciones que historicamente revalida luego de un record totalmente debastador para la Nacion.

Antes el lema era "It's the economy stupid". Ahora es "It's the race muthafuca'! If you are white and conservative you are stupid".

El unico problema del Gobernador Romney fue ser blanco, sincero e inteligente.
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Charlie319 el Lun Nov 26, 2012 9:13 am

Aunque el compi AntiCom tiene algo de razon, los analisis indican que parte de la razon de la derrota de Romney se debio no al voto negro, hispano o de Jupiter en su contra, sino a la apatia del voto blanco.

Que Obama y sus panitas Alinskyistas hayan practicado la vieja costumbre de "Divide & Conquer" no le quita culpa a los manejadores de la gesta de Romney (GOP Inc) que lo movieron de la derecha hacia el centro.

Romney peco de pendejo al correr por la candidatura con una plataforma que le hubiera granjeado el 65% del bloque del voto blanco y desecharla por una plataforma centrista que ni siquiera le obtuvo el 60%...

No fueron los votos pro0-Obama lo que lo jodieron, fueron los conservadores (a quien un amigo muy parecido a usted llamaba "defecators") que se quedaron en casa en vez de ir a votar por un candidato mustio, tibio y desabrido... Y en cierto modo lo entiendo. Un cuatrenio mas de Obama y veremos como reacciona el electorado en el 2016 ante la probabilidad de una continuacion de este desastre tercermundista.
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por Chemo el Lun Nov 26, 2012 11:53 am

AntiCom escribió:Aqui las cosas hay que llamarlas por su nombre y dejarse de correccion politica. Obama gano simple y sencillamente por solo una razon, la misma razon que le dio la victoria en el 2008: LA CARTA RACIAL.

Que la gran mayoria de los latinos y todos los negros le dieran el voto, no es algo que desafie la logica. Y a eso le sumamos que un gran sector izquierdista radical entre los blancos de clase media, igualmente abieron paso a la reeleccion del peor presidente en funciones que historicamente revalida luego de un record totalmente debastador para la Nacion.

Antes el lema era "It's the economy stupid". Ahora es "It's the race muthafuca'! If you are white and conservative you are stupid".

El unico problema del Gobernador Romney fue ser blanco, sincero e inteligente.



Los negros y los hispanos todavia son minoria en EEUU y no creo que eso fue lo que liquido a Romney!!!Sencillamente Romney se autoejecuto el solito por sus cambios constantes de posturas con tal de complacer a las distintas guerrillas o grupos dentro de el partido republicanos el tipo dio mas flip flops que un pesacado en el fondo de un boto cuando lo sacas de el agua y ese tipo de persona que cambia de postura todos los dia no es una persona confiable ante los ojos de el votante...imaginate que tu le des el voto por que el tipo tiene una postura que a ti te agrade y luego de que gane las elecciones el tipo cambie de opnion y haga todo lo contrario por lo cual tu le diste su voto???...Eso lo jodio grandemente!!!!...Por otro lado , el videito de el 47% lo acabo de sepultar ya que ofendio a mucha gente de todas las clases sociales que trabajan y no ganan lo suficiente como para pagar taxes , Romney hablo muyyy mal de esa gente y esa gente es mucho mas de ese 47% que el cree que son ciudadanos que no sirven pa na , ese mal calculo de Romney le costo las elecciones!!!!....Realmente Romney perdio por su bocota y sus errores de juicio!!!
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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

Mensaje por MarlboroMan(aka Lexus) el Lun Nov 26, 2012 1:04 pm

Perdoname Chemo pero el comentario de Romney esta aqui letra por letra:


There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That's an entitlement. The government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49...he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. So he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5–10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.
—Mitt Romney at the private fundraiser of May 17, 2012




mas claro no canta un gallo y el que se ofendio pues que se joda. Prefiero un candidato que diga la verdad que un candidato que diga lo que la gente quiera oir aunque sea incorrecto y mantener las masas BRUTAS. Ya tenemos eso con Obama y bastante jodios que estamos.


El problema fue la prensa que distorciono lo que el dijo ya que la prensa estaba cargandole las maletas a Obama desde 2008 y Obama con su politica de "class warfare y class envy"


Yo no se el ingles de algunos pero yo se el mio y Romney dijo que el 47% no pagan taxes federales (la verdad, busca TAX FOUNDATION) , eso quiere decir que cuando Romney dice de cortar taxes bajos para negocios propios (como el tuyo Chemo) y de CAPITAL GAINS TAX (para los invercionistas) eso NO suena con ellos, es como hablarles en Chino.. Ellos quieren que cosas GRATIS el gobierno les va a dar y no tienen una idea como crear trabajos y como el sector privado funciona.


Chemo, tu puedes cuestionar el %......47%, 40% o 35%....pero lo que el dijo es cierto y tu mas sabes de eso que viviamos en Puerto Rico y vemos como estados como California estan jodios y en banca rota por esa mentalidad de mantengo y un desempleo alto.


Y de cambiar postulas????? creo que eso es hipocrita porque todos desde Reagan, Bush I y II , Clinton y hasta el propio Obama han cambiado sus postulas muchas veces y ellos ganaron elecciones.


Obama gano por 3% simplemente porque tenia mas dinero, no tenia que pelear en unas primarias como Romney y le prensa ayudo mucho a Obama, reportando mas cosas positivas para Obama y mas negativas para Romney.


Ni Reagan podia ganarle a Obama con este electorado y circumstancias.

Ahora que se chupen a Obama.....cuando venga Obamacare, personas de negocios como tu se le van a cagar la madre con mas regulaciones y mas taxes altos y van a desear que Romney hubiese ganado.





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Re: El Post-mortem de la gesta de Romney

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una vez mas:

Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. So he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.



el dijo si mucha gente no paga taxes federales porque el codigo del I.R.S esta jodio pues esa gente no le van a importar ni escuchar del mensaje de cortar TAXES para negocios e invercionistas porque asi se crean trabajos en el setor privado y como se expande un negocio y la economia ......ellos no les importa eso y el presidente va a distorcionar con su CLASS WARFARE de taxes para los ricos para dividir.

Romney dijo que el no se va a preocupar por esos votantes y sus votos porque el no puede competir con Obama de ofrecer mas cosas gratis y joder mas la deuda.

El nunca puede cambiar de parecer la mentalidad de los mantenidos que se creen que el gobierno les debe de pagar por todo.


digo yo, asi yo lo entendi.....si se ofendieron por eso que se muerdan un ojo porque eso es la verdad y yo lo he vivido en Puerto Rico.
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