Partido Republicano, Lo bueno, lo malo y lo feo...

Tremendo peo que se formo en Tampa cuando la delegada de PR, Zoraida Fonalledas, fue al templete a rendirr el reporte del comite que encabeza... Desde antes se venia cociendo una griteria por parte de los partidarios de Ron Paul ante la bellaca maniobra de la elite que controla el club campestre conocido como el RNC.... La plebe se les sublevo y se formo tremenda griteria. Lamentablemente nuestra compatriota entro justo despues del voto que tanto encolerizo a los partidarios de Ron Paul. Aqui lo que aparece en el NY Times:
Paul Supporters Criticize Process, Party and Rules

Damon Winter/The New York Times
Ron Paul delegates from Maine shouted in protest on Tuesday evening in Tampa.
Earlier in the day, what was supposed to be a slow, orderly and only symbolic process erupted in anger, presenting a raucous scene that even the most seasoned delegates had not seen in some 30 years, an unexpected scene of disunity that, if for only a moment, harkened to the early days when conventions actually decided things.

Chanting “point of order” at the top of their lungs, the activists – almost all of them Ron Paul supporters — said that the party leadership had shut off their microphones and cut off their ability to raise an objection to the processes seating delegates and approving a new set of disputed rules pushed by the Romney campaign. None was louder than the Texas delegation, which drew extra attention to itself in the hall with cowboy hats and Texas-flag, button-down shirts.

The activists said they had built enough support in enough states to push a reversal of a party decision against seating several Ron Paul supporting delegates, and, more significantly, to submit a proposal rejecting the new rules pushed by the Romney campaign – which were approved in a thunderous voice vote – in a roll call vote.

“We got smushed,’’ said Robert Tyree, a Nevada delegate.

A fellow Paul supporter from Nevada, Cindy Lake, fumed at being shut down, saying, “They said to us, you have no voice anymore, the Tea Party has no voice,’’ adding, “This is a completely draconian disenfranchisement by the elite of the rank and file.”

Activists on the floor here – dotted with the old fashioned placards marking each state delegation in red white and blue – said that earlier the rules committee deciding on the Romney rules proposal limited discussion, to reduce opposition. Mr. Romney’s campaign had sought to tighten rules to ensure that a candidate who wins a state primary gets guaranteed support from the delegates they win.

Delegate apportionment varies by state, but under the current rules some states allow supposedly “bound” delegates to switch allegiance to another candidate on the convention floor – a system that helped persuade Mr. Paul, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich to stay in the nominating competition even as their losses in primaries and caucuses mounted.

On Tuesday night, a group of activist leaders and Romney officials struck a compromise, but some activists complained that it still gave party leaders in Washington power to change the rules again between national conventions.

That compromise won approval at a rules committee meeting in the afternoon, but Paul supporters said that was after limited discussion. And some of the activists said their leading champions – including the activist Morton Blackwell – were not able to attend the meeting due to transportation concerns, which some cast as suspicious.

“This is a return to smoke-filled rooms,” said Steve Dickson, a delegate from Oklahoma.

Even after their cause — which included a desire by some to literally submit Mr. Paul’s name for nomination — was quashed, Mr. Paul’s fans screamed out their support every time a state announced some of its votes were going for Mr. Paul.

Es posible que por cerrarle la puerta a los delegados de Ron Paul, Romney haya alienado ese sector del partido... Es probable que no pocos fanaticos de Ron Paul voten por escrito en favor de el y le nieguen el voto a Romney... Habra que ver.

Es interesante ver como se esfuerzan los qnemigos del conservadurismo por ilustrar al GOP como un partido secuestrado por una minoria vociferante del "Tea Party"... Y digo interesante porque la verdad es que hay una minoria que tiene, y ha tenido al partido secuestrado... Pero ese grupo no es el Tea Party... Esta noticia es del Washington Post, periodico eminentemente Democrata de la Capital Nacional.... y podemos ver que el TEa Party es la fraccion mas significativa del Partido.

The many faces of the Republican Party
Posted by Peyton Craighill on August 20, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Under the two big tents that are the Democratic and Republican parties are a number of different types of partisans. A major poll from the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation segments people who affiliate with a political party into distinct groups based on their differing values, views on politics and policies. The analysis identifies four groups of Democrats and five Republican groups. Read on for a full rundown of the key differences within the groups and see where you might fit. Explore all the poll questions and detailed results.

Old School Republicans – 22 percent of all Republicans
Large shares are male, white, and wealthy with relatively liberal views on social issues, but more conservative views on other issues, particularly economic ones.

Demographics
■Six in 10 (59 percent) are male;
■Nearly all are white (93 percent);
■Most apt of any group to have a college degree (40 percent), and have incomes of $100,000+;
■Highest levels of employment – seven in 10 are employed either full-time or part-time
■A third live in a military household;
■Least religious of the Republican groups – about four in 10 seldom or never attend religious services.
Values
■Almost all prefer a smaller government with fewer services (96 percent) and nearly all say that it isn’t the government’s responsibility to improve people’s standard of living;
■Almost three-quarters say government regulation does more harm than good;
■Six in 10 say that abortion should be legal, slightly fewer, but a majority – 54 percent – say that gay marriage should be legal;
■80 percent think that we should be more tolerant of others who don’t share our morals;
■Only one in 10 agrees that one of the big problems in this country is that we don’t give everyone an equal chance;
■Religion in public life is NOT a priority for this group. Eight in 10 (82 percent) say organized religion has no role in politics and a similar share think there should be a high degree of separation between church and state;
■83 percent strongly agree that people are responsible for their own well-being.
Politics
■Six in 10 describe themselves as a “strong Republican” and almost all (92 percent) support Romney;
■Seven in 10 say their political views are conservative, but with most of that group saying they are just “somewhat conservative”;
■Three in 10 view their stance on social issues as moderate, another one in 10 say their views on this topic are liberal;
■On fiscal issues, 84 percent say their views are conservative.
Policy
■Almost nine in 10 would like to avoid a big increase in the deficit rather than increasing federal spending to create jobs;
■Not surprisingly, a majority (56 percent) opposes raising taxes on the rich to decrease the deficit;
■While 58 percent have a very unfavorable view of the health reform law, they are split on whether they prefer to keep Medicare as is or whether they want to switch to a Ryan-like plan;
■Half say illegal immigrants should be deported, two-thirds strongly oppose stricter gun controls;
■But, a majority (58 percent) would like to see Republicans compromise with Democrats.
“Tea party” movement Republicans – 28 percent of Republicans
These are the most conservative group of Republicans, with most identifying themselves as tea party supporters and large shares holding extremely strong views on the issues.

Demographics
■Evenly split between men and women;
■Almost everyone in this group is white (92 percent);
■Overall, they are fairly well-off with half reporting a household income of more than $75,000;
■Few are young (only 7 percent are between the ages of 18-29), half are older than 50;
■Most are married (84 percent, largest of any group of Republicans) and a small, but notable share say they are homemakers (12 percent);
■Nearly all own their own home (93 percent);
■Seven in 10 attend regularly attend religious services.
Values
■98 percent prefer smaller government with fewer services, 86 percent say regulation harms businesses, 97 percent think that it isn’t the government’s responsibility to take care of people;
■86 percent strongly think we should NOT adjust our morals to the changing times;
■Similar share (87 percent) say that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases and more (94 percent) say gay marriage should be illegal;
■84 percent disagree with the statement that equal treatment will lead to fewer problems;
■84 percent say that it’s important for religious groups to stand up for their beliefs;
■Eight in 10 strongly feel that people should be responsible for their own economic well-being.
Politics
■86 percent say they support the tea party movement with 46 percent STRONGLY supporting it;
■83 percent identify themselves as “strong Republicans” and 98 percent plan to vote for Romney in November;
■This group is very politically motivated – eight in 10 are “very interested” in the presidential campaign, 86 percent have made up their mind on who to vote for, and they have the highest proportion among all the Republican groups who are registered to vote;
■Six in 10 say their political views are VERY conservative, same goes for their views on social issues. When it comes to fiscal issues, that number rises to 74 percent;
■They are the most in sync with GOP leaders – 71 percent say leaders are taking the party in right direction. Similarly, 72 percent say the GOP shares most of their values, and 81 percent say the Democratic Party shares hardly any or none;
■They have a very “homogenous” social circle, with 77 percent saying most of their friends and family are Republicans.
Policy
■Two-thirds are very dissatisfied with our political system and 73 percent say that Republicans should stick to their guns and not compromise with the Democrats;
■Seven in 10 rate the economy as poor, and nearly all (94 percent) prefer to avoid an increase in the deficit rather than spend more to create jobs;
■Nearly two-thirds don’t see government as playing a crucial role in delivering goods and services;
■One thing this group is optimistic about: four in 10 (42 percent) believe people that who hold values similar to their own are gaining influence;
■The only partisan group where a majority supports a Ryan-like switch in Medicare;
■Most supportive of deporting undocumented immigrants (60 percent);
■Half – 52 percent — are focused on the deficit as the top economic issue facing the country (jobs a distant No. 2 at 22 percent;
■Their views on the issues are of course, staunchly Republican, but the difference is the intensity of those views. In general, their views are stronger than any other Republican group:
■83 percent have a VERY unfavorable view of the health reform law;
■66 percent strongly oppose a tax on junk food;
■40 percent strongly feel that greenhouse gases SHOULD NOT be regulated;
■74 percent strongly oppose stricter gun control laws.

Religious values voters – 21 percent of Republicans
More female, focused on the country’s religious heritage, conservative on social and fiscal issues – the most middle-range on “equality” measures.

Demographics
■More female, they represent 58 percent of this group;
■Nearly all are white (91 percent) and few are extremely low-income (10 percent report having an income less than $20,000);
■This group is moderately religious – 58 percent attend church weekly, 70 percent of Christians identify as Evangelical;
■17 percent have a college degree or higher, which is lower than most Republican groups;
■Few of these Republicans live in the West (17 percent, lowest of any group) and a sizable share live in rural areas (28 percent).
Values
■Although they are only moderately religious, religion in public life is a defining group characteristic;
■Eight in 10 think organized religion has a role in politics and similar shares say that the government should take special steps to protect “America’s religious heritage”;
■Three-quarters say abortion should be illegal and seven in ten strongly feel that gay marriage should be illegal;
■Three-quarters strongly feel that people should be responsible for their own economic well-being and six in 10 say that those who don’t get ahead can only blame themselves;
■Compared to other GOP groups, their views on the size of government are fairly moderate, but still most prefer a smaller government structure than a larger one;
■Two-thirds say that regulation of business does more harm than good and seven in 10 think that individuals should take care of themselves and not rely on the government;
■Most of this group is in the middle of the road on equality with 44 percent agreeing that one of the problems in the United States is that we don’t give people an equal chance.
Politics
■Many (72 percent) identify as a “strong” Republican;
■About seven in 10 consider themselves to be conservative on most political and social issues. Three-quarters say they are conservative on fiscal issues;
■Nine in 10 plan to vote for Romney in November, similar to the share that voted for McCain in 2008.
Policy
■These Republicans are fairly moderate on their policy positions;
■Seven in 10 support regulating greenhouse gases, two-thirds would like to keep Medicare as is, a majority supports a tax on junk food, offering illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal residency;
■Like Republicans overall, they dislike the health reform law (84 percent unfavorable);
■When it comes to the economy, they still prefer to avoid a big increase in the deficit rather than spending more money to improve the job situation;
■They are very opposed to reducing military spending in order to lower the deficit.


Pro-government conservatives (12 percent of Republicans)
This highly religious group holds very conservative views on social issues, but are also open to the idea of a larger government.
Demographics
■About equal shares of men and women;
■Over a quarter (27 percent) have an annual household income under $20,000;
■Going hand in hand with income, only a third (35 percent) report being employed full-time;
■The group is slightly younger;
■A lower share of whites (78 percent);
■Arguably the most religious with three quarters saying they attend church weekly. A quarter have never been married, higher than most groups.
Values
■Six in 10 say that the government should do everything possible to improve the standard of living for everyone;
■Pro-government conservatives are divided on whether government regulation is necessary or whether it does more harm than good (44 percent vs 48 percent);
■This group is much more sympathetic towards others; seven in 10 disagree with the statement that people who don’t get ahead can only blame themselves;
■About three-quarters think religion has a place in politics and that government should take steps to protect religious groups;
■Over half say abortion should be illegal and 80 percent strongly feel that gay marriage should be illegal.
Politics
■Even though many hold somewhat moderate views on the size of the government, six in 10 still identify as a “strong” Republican;
■Six in 10 consider themselves to be conservative on most political matters, similar to the share that say the same for social and fiscal matters;
■Only four in 10 say they support the tea party movement, the lowest of any Republican group.
Policy
■Similar to Window Shoppers and Religious values voters, this group, has fairly moderate views on policy;
■A third have a favorable view of the health reform law, over half support allowing illegal immigrants to stay, and about half favor stricter gun control and a tax on junk food. Three-quarters are in favor of regulating greenhouse gases;
■While their views on policies tend to lean more towards the middle, this group is dissatisfied with the way the political system is working and a majority would like Republicans to stick to their positions, rather than cooperate with the Democrats;
■Breaking the status quo among most groups of Republicans, a slim majority (53 percent) would like to see more federal dollars devoted to creating jobs and improving the economy, rather than avoiding an increase in the deficit.

Window shoppers (17 percent of Republicans)Young Republicans, whose values and policy views approach Democrats.

Demographics
■Four in 10 (41 percent) are 18-29 years old;
■A little over half (55 percent) are female;
■Smallest share of whites (68 percent) – over a third of all non-white Republicans are in this group;
■Because this group is younger, most likely to say they are renters (36 percent) and never married (38 percent);
■Not very religious (36 percent attend services seldom or never).
Values
■More favorable towards the idea of “big government”;
■Seven in 10 say government regulation of big business is necessary to protect the public, similar share says government should do everything possible to improve the standard of living for all Americans;
■Over half (54 percent) prefer a larger government with many services;
■About as many disagree as agree that government controls too much of daily life;
■Half strongly think that gay marriage should be legal, another quarter somewhat;
■Six in 10 (63 percent) think organized religion should stay out of politics;
■Compared with other Republicans, fairly moderate when it comes to economic individualism: only three in 10 strongly agree that people who don’t get ahead only have themselves to blame.
Politics
■Don’t really identify with the Republican party – 62 percent describe themselves as “not a very strong Republican”;
■Only half say most of their friends and family are Republicans, a quarter say most are independents;
■One in five are not registered to vote;
■Nearly four in 10 (37 percent) are leaning towards voting for Obama, 40 percent voted for in him 2008 and a similar share say the vote for Republicans and Democrats about equally when it comes to presidential elections;
■18 percent describe their views on political issues as “liberal”, 22 percent say the same for social issues (the highest among any Republican group).
Policy
■In general, this group is more open to progressive policies, more satisfied with the political system and the economy;
■Four in 10 are satisfied with the country’s political system and fewer say that the economy is “poor” compared with other groups;
■Seven in 10 say the GOP should cooperate with Democrats;
■69 percent say that the Democratic party shares at least some of their values, close to the 83 percent who say the same thing about the Republican party;
■They are also more supportive of traditionally Democratic policies;
■Half prefer to increase federal spending to create jobs, rather than avoid an increase in the deficit;
■35 percent favorable towards the health reform law, 68 percent want to keep Medicare as is;
■Over half (56 percent) strongly believe that greenhouse gases should be regulated, 49 percent say they favor stricter gun control.

Los del Tea Party podrán ser el grupo más significativo dentro del GOP, pero también es el grupo que más daño se ha hecho. Si el GOP pone un candidato Presidencial de ese grupo en el 2016, como Rand Paul, van a asustar a los moderados y los independientes y quizás darle a los demócratas la presidencia por otro término consecutivo.

Además, desde el 2011 los Republicanos tuvieron su campaña primarista donde querendones del Tea Party tuvieron su oportunidad de aspirar a la presidencia. Pero a medida que transcurrieron los numerosos e insufribles debates, la mayoría silenciosa del GOP se dieron cuenta que Romney era el único candidato con ideas racionales.

Esta gente no tienen el apoyo que proyectan tener, pero si han sido estratégicos en ocupar unos espacios para trancar las discusiones sanas y racionales y así lastimar a la nación, y después al propio partido Republicano.

Boriquesazo escribió:Los del Tea Party podrán ser el grupo más significativo dentro del GOP, pero también es el grupo que más daño se ha hecho. Si el GOP pone un candidato Presidencial de ese grupo en el 2016, como Rand Paul, van a asustar a los moderados y los independientes y quizás darle a los demócratas la presidencia por otro término consecutivo.

Además, desde el 2011 los Republicanos tuvieron su campaña primarista donde querendones del Tea Party tuvieron su oportunidad de aspirar a la presidencia. Pero a medida que transcurrieron los numerosos e insufribles debates, la mayoría silenciosa del GOP se dieron cuenta que Romney era el único candidato con ideas racionales.

Esta gente no tienen el apoyo que proyectan tener, pero si han sido estratégicos en ocupar unos espacios para trancar las discusiones sanas y racionales y así lastimar a la nación, y después al propio partido Republicano.

Bueno, si vamos a ser democraticos, y si el Tea Party es la fraccion mas numerosa dentro del GOP, entonces seria logico que ganara un candidato de esa faccion... Lo que sucedio en el 2012 fue que Romney corrio tras la nominacion como un candidato "Tea Party" y gano por encima de Newt a quien no tragan en el TP y Santorum que es del ala religiosa del partido y no es atractivo tampoco. Una vez gano la candidatura, Romney se dejo manejar por los cocorocos del GOP-Inc con lo que abandono los temas conservadores a cambio de la economia... y fue a medidaq de lso debates que se dieron cuneta que Romney primarista no erael mismo que estaba debatiendo su agenda pro-corporacion y anti-ciudadano...

Si el Tea Party no tienen el apoyo que proyectan tener, como es que eligen ganadores? En la Camara, de 83 candidatos del TP, 67 ganaron, 15 perdieron y uno se fue a un "run-off" en dicienbre... Para un porcentaje de victoria de 80% En el senado no tuvieron tan buena suerte donde solo Ted Cruz y Jeff Flake ganaron, pero en general les fue mejor que al GOP en general.

After 2012 setbacks, Tea Party struggles over need for inside influence
By Alexandra Jaffe - 12/09/12 02:00 PM ET
The Tea Party movement is reevaluating its priorities after a disappointing election cycle and conservative Sen. Jim DeMint’s (R-S.C.) abrupt departure from the Senate.
Former Rep. Dick Armey’s split last week from FreedomWorks — one of the movement’s most visible groups — also highlights ongoing tensions within the Tea Party. The challenge: striking a balance between working with the establishment and working to upend it.
But activists involved at both the grassroots and more organized level said the movement’s future will hinge both on its ability to translate its small government ideals to people outside the Beltway, and to engage more actively in the political process in the future.
“You’re seeing this push from the bottom up, from the outside into Washington, D.C. to actually get a handle on those [conservative] ideas and really the intellectual basis for what we believe. The solution is not just a white paper, the solution is something that people can engage with,” said Matt Kibbe, president and CEO of FreedomWorks.
Kibbe said that many of the group’s plans going forward, which were “already on the blackboard,” wouldn’t change in the wake of Armey’s exit. Those plans include “translating those substantive [conservative] ideas into consumable 30-second ideas,” he said.
DeMint’s move away from the Senate to the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington’s oldest conservative think tanks, could help lead that messaging push.
The outspoken Tea Party leader is known more for his messaging skill and political acumen than his legislative accomplishments. DeMint has worked in Congress largely by attacking Republican leadership when he feels it is failing to adhere to conservative principles, and by supporting like-minded candidates in primaries to further his agenda.
Mike Gonzalez, the Heritage Foundation’s vice president of communication, said DeMint’s ability to communicate conservative ideals is part of what Heritage took into consideration in persuading him to leave the Senate.
“We like to think about how policies affect people outside of Washington,” Gonzalez said. “We need to help people connect the dots … and Sen. DeMint is someone who also thinks that way.”
Kibbe said that DeMint could be “that bridge between what I’m talking about outside the beltway, and what Heritage is doing inside the beltway.
“You’ve got to dust off some of those white papers and actually turn them into English. [DeMint] is obsessed with communicating the values of freedom, and I think we need to address those values to people outside of Washington,” he said.
The Tea Party took a beating in 2012, with only four of the 16 Senate candidates backed by the movement winning on election night.
Though the movement fared better in the House, Tea Party Caucus founder Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) barely managed to fight off a challenge from her Democratic opponent. Tea Party darling Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) was defeated despite being one of the top House fundraisers in the nation.
FreedomWorks, which spent nearly $40 million in the 2012 cycle, had less than a one-in-four winning record on candidates it backed, according to data collected by the Sunlight Foundation.
Kibbe said that the group was reassessing its involvement in the political process, with an eye on 2014 and even 2016.
“I would like to do better in 2014, and part of what we’re going to do is critically assess candidates — almost be more proactive in the recruitment of candidates,” he said.
The group will be looking for candidates that “fit our philosophical criteria and have the capacity to win statewide, and possibly national, races.”
Jenny Beth Martin, a founder of Tea Party Patriots, said her group was also looking at more engagement in the nominating process in 2014. The group’s members will be voting over the coming days on whether to form a political action committee to support its efforts, she said.
“Having a PAC gives us more tools that we can use to fight, especially when it comes to express advocacy for or against a candidate,” Martin said. “If our competition and the opposition, the people who are not for fiscal responsibility, if they’re using all the tools at their disposal and we’re leaving some of the tools on the sideline, we may not be fighting as effectively as we could be.”
But there remains a conflict at the very base of this effort to mainstream a movement built on anti-establishment sentiment: How do the leaders of the Tea Party, and its activists, work within establishment channels without becoming a part of what they see as the problem?
Armey, for instance, was the consummate political insider during his nearly decade-long tenure in Congress.
He served as House Majority Leader and was one of the authors of the Contract With America, the GOP’s guiding policy blueprint in the ’90s.
And yet for the latter part of his political career, he helped foster the burgeoning Tea Party and became one of the grassroots movement’s most prominent public faces.
It’s unclear whether Armey’s past in the Republican establishment created the tension that ultimately led to his exit, but he did indicate in an interview with Mother Jones, which broke the story of his departure, that FreedomWorks was going in a direction that “I thought was unproductive.”
“They were matters of principle. It’s how you do business as opposed to what you do,” he told Mother Jones.
DeMint has said he’s “coming home” to the Heritage Foundation. The think tank is known for its fiscal conservatism and small-government priorities, but it’s also one of Washington’s oldest and most established think tanks.
Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz, one of DeMint’s recruits and a rising star in the Tea Party movement, has been tapped for a vice-chairmanship with the National Republican Senatorial Committee. The position puts him squarely in the middle of the establishment he toppled to win his nomination, and the grassroots that helped him do so.
It’s a dilemma that Kibbe says the grassroots movement, on which the Tea Party was founded, will have to watch out for in the future.
“The question is: Once you get [to the establishment] do you stay true to principle?” he said.

De lo que yo recuerdo, muchos en el Tea Party no querían a Romney por ser más de lo mismo.

Además, los número que pones demuestran que son una minoría dentro del Partido Republicano y que son un grupo extremistas que dificilmente van a conseguir que los moderados e independientes lo apoyen. Los más vergonzoso de este proceso fue que sacaron de carrera un Senador Republicano en Indiana y pusieron a uno que perdió contra el Demócrata. Sabes que la cosa está mala cuando un estado donde Obama perdió, los Demócratas adquirieron un escaño en el Senado.

Tea Party Caucus founder Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) barely managed to fight off a challenge from her Democratic opponent. Tea Party darling Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) was defeated despite being one of the top House fundraisers in the nation.

Más evidente no puede ser. Este grupo es una estrella fugaz.

Vas a tener que definir lo que tu consideras "minoria"... El Tea Party tuvo que escoger entre Romney, Newt y Santorum. De esa terna, Mitt era el menos malo. 28% en un partido controlado por 5 o mas facciones no es "minoria"... A menos que se alien dos, o mas, de las otras facciones.

Sacaron a un senador blando y el que gano no durara. Eso solo te dice que en ese estado no quieren a Obama.

Boriquesazo escribió:

Tea Party Caucus founder Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) barely managed to fight off a challenge from her Democratic opponent. Tea Party darling Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) was defeated despite being one of the top House fundraisers in the nation.

Más evidente no puede ser. Este grupo es una estrella fugaz.

Allen West fue victima del racismo.

Michelle Bachman ha sobrevivido los ataques de los medios por mucho tiempo... Y se supone que iba a perder.